Heads Up – Google Places Wants to Change Your Business Listing Automatically – Be Sure They Have the Right Data
Google just announced they will auto-update your business data on your Place page based on user edits and 3rd party data they scrape from the web. They’ll make the changes automatically without your consent, but notify you so you can try to fix it, if the info’s wrong.
I’m afraid this move will cause all kinds of problems. I know Google is doing it for the right reasons and I understand where the change comes from, but I think it’s going to create a ton of new issues. Read the full announcement (only a snippet is below) then see my comments.
SEE IMPORTANT 10/14 UPDATE BELOW – NEW INFO – They are emailing BEFORE the edits go live and giving you a chance to dispute the changes, but it’s still causing lots of problems already. See update and comments below.
Faster updates to local business listings
Previously, verified business listings would always reflect the information provided by its owner – even if we received data about an updated name, address, or hours of operation. But now, if a user provides new information about a business they know — or if our system identifies information from another source on the web that may be more recent than the data the business owner provided via Google Places — the organic listing will automatically be updated and the business owner will be sent an email notification about the change. Without requiring any effort on the part of the business owner, we’ll take measures to keep their listing up-to-date if our system determines that the edit is accurate. Of course, if the business owner disagrees or has even more recent information, they can always directly log in to their Google Places account and make further edits.”
They are going to CHANGE YOUR DATA 1st and notify you after-the-fact that your listing was changed??? (See update for minor correction to my original understanding of how this works.) It sounds like they are going to allow more crowd sourcing user edits and also automatically change verified listings based on other 3rd party data. How easy will it be to change it back if the info is wrong? Will a business owner have to re-verify to change their name, address or phone back to what it was SUPPOSED to be all along?
I’m happy about the email notification, but heck some of small B & M businesses I know barely read their emails. What if they miss it? How long until some of them even realize their listing was changed?
In the past Google gave businesses some level of control over their own data, however still at times Google will over-write or merge data into owner verified accounts. That causes many problems as it is now and and data Google overwrites can be nearly impossible to change. Plus a great majority of the problems with Google Places in my opinion are from bad data scrapes already.
Additionally, as we saw clearly with the NYTimes story about competitors marking businesses as permanently closed – allowing crowd sourcing of business information can and IS being abused and can cause serious problems.
I do realize many small businesses do not even claim their Place pages, much less keep them up to date. But I also know there is a TON of erroneous data out there. Additionally there are lots of unscrupulous marketers who may use this new feature to try to cause problems.
More than anything I know how many SMBs come to the Google Places forum for help, because their data is wrong, often due to bad data scrapes or competitive sabotage and they are impotent to fix it. Some try for months to get help correcting the problems.
The way it works now, if Google adds a category or image to your Place page, you can’t just edit it out. Will these new changes be editable by the business owner???
If Google is going to change your data without your permission, I sure hope they make it easy to change it back if the info is wrong!
UPDATE 10/14 9AM Well that was quick! Already getting forwarded emails from clients saying Google wants to change all the data I just worked so hard to make right! But at least it appears to be different that what I read into the announcement. It sounded like they were just going to immediately change the Place page and then you’d have to edit back. But in the emails I’m getting it’s more like here are the changes we are GOING to make soon and if you edit now you can correct it before the change goes into affect.
HOWEVER complaints are pouring in already over at Mike’s blog from consultants getting numerous emails with changes Google wants to make to Place page that are incorrect – wrong names, wrong phone #s etc.
Google Places Now Updating Your Listing Automatically – Mike’s blog.
Here’s a comment I just made over at Mikes:
“Ok just quickly scanned email and have 4 forwarded from clients so far. Both with minor changes BUT changes that will cost them tons of citations.
For instance one client when I took over her account her title was: Jane Doe PC (she has 3 versions of her name that are legal and technically correct, that one, her practice name and her DDS name)
I checked and she had 1200 citations for Jane Doe DDS and only 200 for her practice name Jane Doe Dental. So since both names are legal names and more directories list as the Dr. name I changed it to Jane Doe DDS. Now Google wants to change it to Jane Doe Dental.
NOT ONLY did I just go though all the trouble to edit and re-verify with the new name. But also made her webmaster change NAP on the site which was 2 weeks of emails back and forth to get them to do ti.
BUT HERE’S THE PART THAT REALLY CONCERNS ME FROM THE GOOGLE EMAIL:
“Below is a summary of what your listing(s) will contain once it’s updated in the next few weeks. This will be visible on your Place page and listings across Google properties, but it will not be reflected in your Google Places account”
So are they saying that if someone misses the email or an SMB does not realize it’s a change that can hurt them, once the change is made it’s NOT in the dash, therefore the business owner or someone like me won’t be able to correct it later?
You know how if G adds a bad category or images to your listing you can’t edit because it’s not even in your dashboard?
Below is a copy of the email that Dentist just got. Name edited by me for confidentiality.
Dear Google Places user,
Google will soon update your listing data on our consumer properties such as Google and Google Maps to more accurately reflect the latest information we have about your business.
We use many sources to determine the accuracy of our listing data and to provide the best possible experience for business owners and consumers who use Google and Google Maps to find local information.
Below is a summary of what your listing(s) will contain once it’s updated in the next few weeks. This will be visible on your Place page and listings across Google properties, but it will not be reflected in your Google Places account:
Jane Doe Dental
55555-5555 (They added zip 4 back in. I removed because citations didn’t match up.)If the above information is not accurate, please sign in to Google Places. You may prevent any of these changes from being made on your Place page and listing by selecting “Edit”, and then pressing the “Submit” button to confirm the correct information about your business.
If you submit data to Google via a feed, please ensure that the data in your feed is accurate and current. Note that you must update listing data in your feed to prevent changes from being made to the above listings.
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#1 Nick wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Hi Linda,
Looks like Google are listening to users and trying to do the right thing, but they’re just going about it the wrong way. How they can just change business details before alerting the actual business owner is staggering to me. Surely this opens things up for all kinds of dodgy competitive marketing. Allowing business owners to correct their own data and have it updated on their Place Page immediately is a good thing. Allowing just anyone to do it will only lead to more issues and complaints. We are starting to get more and more local businesses pleading for help with Places and it’s a real minefield out there. I guess the one positive in all of this is that they appear to be listening, so keep up the pressure!
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#2 Gavin @ CrunchWebDesign wrote on October 14, 2011 :
I have noticed this for one of my cleints. Google had scraped a telephone number from a page made by yellow pages. This was a typical marketing web page where Yellow pages use an alternative number (redirected) to track how many calls are recieved, and then present you with the data in the hope that you will purchase the additional advertising and telephone number.
Trouble is that Google scraped the telephone number on this page, and consequently, the Place Page number has changed!
I do recall recieving an email from Google to ensure all data was correct, BUT this number was not on the email otherwise I would have changed it! Very Cheeky!
Competetive Sabotage is a real worry for Google Places and whilst I understand Google wants top keep unverified listings up to date (they must have scraped the info to create the page in the first place), If a Page is Owner Verified, Google needs to let the business manage on its own.
#3 Imprezzio wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Yeah this change scares me a little…I guess we’ll have to wait and see if it’s a good or bad thing.
#4 Linda Buquet wrote on October 14, 2011 :
@Joy, Gavin, Nick
I’m very concerned about this. Some of my clients aren’t great about checking email and sometimes emails get missed. I am concerned about changes being made I don’t even know about until the client notices their ranking drop and then hours of extra work to do damage control to try to fix it. But that’s because I have lots of monster problems on some clients that take forever to fix. Possibly these new changes they are talking about are easy and you just log in and change it back. BUT they didn’t say anything about a change to make it easy to edit. And like I said the way it is now if G adds an image or cat you CAN’T edit it. Users are stuck with it or have to go to the forum and beg for help.
Re competitive sabotage: I can see a whole new cottage industry springing up. “In addition to doing fake negative reviews for your competitors we can also mess up their listing and knock them out of the rankings.”
#5 Gavin @ CrunchWebDesign wrote on October 14, 2011 :
@Linda
Re Competetive Sabotage, you are completely right. A few fake citations for a competitor and that could certainly raise trust issues with Google.
#6 Linda Buquet wrote on October 14, 2011 :
For those following this post just made a BIG update. See 10/14 update toward bottom. Problems are starting to come in.
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#7 Linda Buquet wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Reports are starting to come into the forum. Here’s a user who fought for a long time after they moved to get their address corrected and now got an email that Google is changing it back to their old address.
“I moved 3 months ago. Updated my listing no problem. I found that the map had not been updated-clients were being given directions to old address- while the red ballon had my new address. I reported it several times. Then I got a call from Google Maps. Thats when my real trouble started. Instead of updating the map, they marked my business as permanently closed. I talked to them several times. Each time they tried to tell me I was at my old address. Finally got it all straight. Today I receive email from places saying my account will be updated. (to old address) It says to go to my dash board and put in the right info. It has been correct there all along. I really don’t know what else to do. I feel certain its something with the maps people they called again a couple days ago. They are definitely in another country but I know they understood what I said. Right now everything is correct, but it will change anytime according to the email from Places.”
Who knows better where a business is CURRENTLY located? The business owner that works there every day and pays the rent or Google who is scraping old data?
There’s another from post from a biz owner who got an email wanting to update a business he closed 4 YEARS ago. Not sure how they can think using all this bad data is helpful. I mean I’m sure they are making correct updates in some cases but…
#8 Kim wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Hi Linda. Thanks for your post. What I’m wondering is though, how do you keep Google from updating the info? The emails I received said as the owner of the listing you can log in and edit, but the information I have is already correct. What they generated and provided in the “warning” email is not. I could edit the listing, but would that change anything when they eventually roll out the updates??
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#10 Linda Buquet wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Kim, I don’t think the emails are very clear because I’ve had other business owners email me with the same question.
The email in typical VAGUE Google fashion says:
“If the above information is not accurate, please sign in to Google Places. You may prevent any of these changes from being made on your Place page and listing by selecting “Edit”, and then pressing the “Submit” button to confirm the correct information about your business.”
So I BELIEVE they are saying if the info in dashboard is correct and you DON”T want Google to change it, then just hit edit and then submit to lock in what’s already there.
That’s my interpretation anyway. But again, not very clear.
I’m just logging into a couple accounts now to try to take care of these issues. Will let you know if I discover anything else.
#11 Kim wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Thanks a lot, Linda. I figured the same, so I’m also going through client accounts and doing a quick copy/paste of their information + selecting edit in hopes that this will keep from the egregious updates that they believe is most accurate (some yes, but some definitely not).
#12 savemountain wrote on October 14, 2011 :
Slight problem – I get stuck in a continually refreshing loop trying to log in to fix their problems.
#13 Mike Blumenthal wrote on October 14, 2011 :
They added zip 4 back in. I removed because citations didn’t match up.)
Google is more than capable of understanding that a zip + 4 citation belongs with the zip listing. They reconcile this information all of the time.
Matching name, address and phone is important but Google is really quite good at parsing subtle differences particularly like this.
My suggestion would be to allow the zip plus 4 as it appears to be what Google wants and then gradually update the your citations if and when you touch. I can not conceive that Google adding the zip plus 4 could have even an iota of negative impact.
#14 asim wrote on October 15, 2011 :
Hi
for last one month, one of my client,s listing was showing inappropriate categories on place page.
place page is showing these categories : Book Store, Furniture Store, Gazebo Builder, Lodging.
I checked again and again in place page edit. the categories are Gazebo Builder, Porches, tiki hut, Patio, Decks.
how come the BOOK STORE and LODGING automatic added in this place page and I tried whatever i could to change. but no luck.
maybe Google,s new hikup causing this but without any caution.
*(my website is a blog, i am creating new website)
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#15 Nathan @ AustinTenantAdvisors wrote on October 15, 2011 :
Hi Linda,
Thanks for the updates. This is concerning as I just went through a google places dilemma recently. My company moved and after changing my address it took over 3 months to see my company back on the top 7 google places listings. If anything is changed in your google places account (company name, phone, address) businesses that once were on the top 7 could potentially fall off for a while.
#16 Matthew Hunt wrote on October 17, 2011 :
Linda,
At least they are sending emails to the owner of the listing.
I don’t mean to be harsh to SMB’s, but from my experience a lot of GP challenges are usually from business listings that have not been manage right from the beginning. Often those business have mis-matched NAP info across the web and it takes very little to throw off Google Places.
Also I have worked with tons of duplicate listings and successfully merged them and I find that usually duplicate will keep popping up if you don’t clean up that NAP at the sources that GP nabs the info for.
It is not clear how abuse proof this “report a problem” program is and how much trust Google will put in end user edits…. this could work really good or it could be a total mess. Right now for most the accounts I am managing things seem to be working OK. Knock on wood!
I am curious to see how this all plays out.
Thanks for being on top of it Linda! You rock!
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#17 Linda Buquet wrote on October 17, 2011 :
@Matt,
Saw your vid this weekend about how to deal with dupes. As someone who has many dupe-challenged clients I’m anxious to try it out.
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#19 Dr Gil wrote on October 30, 2011 :
Linda,
This looks like either a new headache or just a worst continuation of the one that exists regarding duplicate listings. You and I have talked about the problems that we have had with correcting duplicate listings at Google–what a headache. Then the problem of the new city listings being for dentists offices in the downtown area of various cities–that took us out of two of our main keyword phrases. We are doing OK for other keywords and phrases, but we still don’t have all of our Google duplicates corrected after over a year of trying. We have gotten them to combine some duplicates and then they turn around and scrape a different one from somewhere else–it has happened 3 times to us in the last year. It is so frustrating when you are trying to do things correctly. Then with this new scenario, there is the ugly spectre mentioned by above posts that the “bad guys” begin messing with people’s listings to alter their own rankings. However, thanks for the informative information, but it sure sounds scary.
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#20 Russell DeMott wrote on December 28, 2011 :
How a company with so many smart people could come up with such a stupid idea boggles the mind. My Places/Map listing phone number suddenly changed today. My former firm is now getting my calls. They must then tell the callers my correct number. Old firm is irritated. New callers are irritated. My Places Page has had this number now for a year, yet they suddenly associate me with my old firm. How anyone can think this makes sense is beyond me. And there was NO warning email ahead of time. It just happened.
I have now “edited” the listing (not in Places but on clicking on the ad in the search results and clicking another edit button–I guess this is the “free-for-all” edit button. Got the email from Google saying that they will fix it “in a few weeks.” This whole thing is a solution to a problem that didn’t exist and a really shitty solution at that.
#21 Linda Buquet wrote on December 28, 2011 :
Russell, sorry you are having to go through this. There is a much better and faster way to get help.
What you did was like a user edit and may not get much attention.
Use the new troubleshooter and you should get help in 48 hours. (Possibly slower with the Holidays.) OR post in the Places forum and then email me the link and I’ll escalate to Google and get it fixed for you. FYI I’m off tomorrow though.
#22 Russ DeMott wrote on December 28, 2011 :
Thanks Linda. I don’t know how to get to the troubleshooter. Can you email me your contact info? russ@demottlawfirm.com. I’ll fwd you waht Google sent to me as well. Thanks!
#23 Linda Buquet wrote on December 28, 2011 :
Sorry should have explained was in a rush.
The fastest way to get help these days is with the new troubleshooter. Go down to the “fix a problem section” and report incorrect info:
http://support.google.com/places/?hl=en
my email: linda AT catalystemarketing.com
#24 Nathan Smith wrote on December 29, 2011 :
Hi Linda,
I lost and can’t remember my log in information for one of my Google places accounts. Do you know of a way to regain access? I have been hounding google support. So far am not having any luck.
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