Google Places Support is Improving and Yes Linda is Still Alive
I wanted to point everyone to a really important post over at Mike’s blog.
The Untold Story of 2011: Google’s Significant Investments in a Google Places Support Structure
I’m sure most of you read Mike’s blog anyway. But I know sometimes people don’t have time to get through all the comments and there are some important and insightful ones there. I wanted to copy my comment over here too to be sure my readers see it. The part about the new troubleshooter is especially important because I still get emails from lots of pros that are pulling their hair out trying to find solutions and they have not even tried the troubleshooter yet.
My reply to Mikes post:
Wholeheartedly agree with all your points Mike and thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed summary of the issues.
And while I agree with Matt and there is still a long way to go, I’ve seen such HUGE strides lately that I’m very hopeful – and extremely thankful for any and all improvements. And I know there are lots more on the way.
Before I was a TC when I helped in the forums, I usually felt impotent. Now I can go to right to Vanessa and to see her go right to an engineer, get a problem fixed immediately AND explain the resolution to the user. Seems almost like a miracle to me! I’m in awe every time it happens. It feels so good to actually be able to make a difference and get problems fixed.
However as others have said, having a handful of volunteers and staff trying to nip a multitude of user problems in the bud one-by-one bud is not very sustainable. Part of their efforts need to also shift to fixing the myriad of back end core problems, so support requests are reduced.
Want to stress that the new troubleshooter seems right now to be the best way to go to get direct support. It goes directly to a live person at Google and I’m getting back great reports on turn around time and resolution. (Messaging and flow are being gradually improved over time, so it’s getting easier to find the right path.)
At any rate, every single effort to expand and improve support is much appreciated by me. PLUS the change in attitude toward SMBs and support is improving, so that’s encouraging as well. I think that’s an important key. Because the attitude and commitment change needs to be there before any positive actions are taken.
Admittedly wearing my rose colored glasses today, I believe the attitude change is underway and we are seeing the very beginning of some of the positive actions that are just starting to be planned and rolled out. If there is positive re-enforcement for the changes they are making (more happy users >> more new Places claimed >> more new Adwords $$) then I think we’ll continue to see more resources devoted to support and hopefully fixing some of the core problems.
Really need to say, having Vanessa on the team is just a Godsend. I see her fixing a myriad of problems, pushing for change and trying to improve things every single day! If with all Google’s power they could find a way to clone that woman about 5 times, we’d be in great shape!
Apologies for not blogging lately. I’ve been getting some emails asking if I’m alive and well from other pros that have missed my posts. I’ve been fighting a really bad case of the flu for 3 weeks and just can’t get up to 100% much less the 130% I normally run at to keep all my balls in the air. I mean I’m finally starting to get better the past few days just don’t have much energy. Plus now that I’m a Top Contributor on the Google Places forum I am posting a lot more in the Places forum which leaves less time, energy and carpal left for my own blog. Plus to be honest on top of all that, I’ve just have had bloggers block, recently.
But I do have an important big post I’m working on that should be posted soon and hope to be back with a renewed commitment to blogging regularly in the new year.
Wishing you and yours a very Merry Christmas!
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#1 Mike Blumenthal wrote on December 21, 2011 :
The image of you keeping all your balls in the air is an image that I am not sure is entirely appropriate in a family oriented blog.
#2 Linda Buquet wrote on December 21, 2011 :
LOL! I needed a good laugh today Mike. Thanks for the chuckle!
#3 Andrew McKim wrote on December 22, 2011 :
You guys, and Phil, are the best. Keep up the great work in 2012. Merry Christmas.
#4 Linda Buquet wrote on December 22, 2011 :
Thanks Andrew! Merry Christmas to you too!
#5 Teck@Google Places Expert wrote on December 27, 2011 :
Can’t wait to see the important, big new post! Meanwhile, Merry Christmas and all the best for 2012!
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#6 Matthew Hunt wrote on December 28, 2011 :
Get well Linda, hope you had a brilliant holiday!
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#7 Jim Rudnick wrote on December 29, 2011 :
yup, me too….hope to read here more too when that bloggers block thingy hits’ the dust, eh!
merry Xmas and happy new year to you all, eh!
Jim
#8 Linda Buquet wrote on January 1, 2012 :
Tech, Matthew and Jim,
Happy New Year to all of you too!
#9 Charlene wrote on January 4, 2012 :
I cant wait to see your new beautiful post…Thanks for sharing this…Happy new year!!!
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#10 marieljackson wrote on January 5, 2012 :
Hi Linda… I’m glad you are back… Hope for your fast recovery. I can’t wait to see the big blog you are about to post.
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#11 Joseph Ratliff wrote on January 6, 2012 :
Linda… it’s great to hear you’re ok… time to up the Vitamin D3 eh? (get your levels tested by your Doctor first of course)
Anyhow… This was a VERY insightful comment. Loved reading it.
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#12 Linda Buquet wrote on January 6, 2012 :
Hey Joe – Happy New Year! Good to see you over on this other side of my world!
#13 Anon2828 wrote on January 18, 2012 :
Linda – I read your blog and Blumenthals as well. A treasure trove of good Google Places info and most appreciated.
Regarding Mike’s comments (and yours) on Google Places “Support” – I agree, there are new avenues, but it is still a very confusing landscape for a SMB Google Places user (even a knowledgeable one).
I’d love to become a case study for Google Places to help them and help us, let me summarize and also tell you what I’ve seen lately than may provide some insight (I’ll attempt to summarize as best I can):
– 9/12/11 – Realized that our law firm Places page had been merged with a competitor in our same building. Lost our title, URL, phone number, some pictures, and address information. Panic set in. We attempted to make changes (ill-advised) in our Dashboard that resulted in having to be re-verified through a post card.
– 9/27/11 – After using one of Linda’s tips to get in touch with a human at Google through some back channels, we received an email saying the listings would be separated and would take several weeks to see the changes. Our URL came back at some point along with a mostly correct physical address. Still the competitors phone number.
-10/19/11 – Our phone number came back, and pictures of the competing business went away, though “Comments from the Owner” were still from the other business as were “Reviews from around the web”.
11/9/11 – Merged again. Emailed the same support person that emailed us and amazingly got a response that they would take a look. Meanwhile, wrong phone number, address, comments from the owner, reviews all merged from the competitor’s Places page.
11/9/11 – Received our first “Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” email that contained all wrong (from the competitor’s business) information that they wanted to update. We followed the instructions to deny the pending change.
Emailed support and got back another reply saying they would look at it.
11/10/11 – Received another “Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” email – denied the changes again.
11/15/11 – Received an email from someone on the Google AdWords Team that consulted with the Google Data Quality Team and who was working to de-merge the listings. Told that it would take a “few” weeks. Later the same day things look better and the only merged data is “Reviews from around the web.”
11/21/11 – Received two (2) “Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” – information in email was OK, except that the phone number listed was our secondary toll free number, not our primary local number, thus denied the changes using the Edit…Submit trick on the Dashboard. Also received an email from AdWords support stating that, “… the Data Quality Team has split your listing…” and would take 3-4 weeks.
11/28/11 – Received another email from AdWords support stating, ” the issue was resolved. It is no longer merged with the other advertiser.”
12/14/11 – Received another “Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” this time all of the NAP information was ok, but had our competitor’s URL – denied changes through the Dashboard (again). Emailed AdWords support. Places page was showing “Comments from the Owner” including his phone number, “Reviews from around the web” linked to the competitor, and “At a glance” information from the competitor.
12/15/11 – Places listing completely gone. Disappeared. Came back much later in the day after I did the Dashboard Edit…Submit trick. Still some merged data in there.
12/29/11 – Received two (2) more “Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” (why do they come in pairs most of the time??) – These had all correct information except the phone number. Did the Dashboard Edit…Submit thing yet again. Competitor’s phone number showing up on our Places page still.
12/30/11 – exact same as above – again (can you believe?) Emailed our AdWords support contact again. Got a response they were working on it (again).
12/31/11 – Attempted our own Edit this Place action (changed phone number to our correct number) and received a “Google Maps Edit – Action taken” email, though there was no change on the Places page – still the competitor’s phone number. Also attempted for the first time to use the Google Places Troubleshooter (we just noticed it as an option), then we received a “[#XXXXXXXX] Google Places for Business Help” email saying they were investigating.
1/1/12 – Attempted another Edit this Place from another account. Got the same “Google Maps Edit – Action taken” email, but still no change on our Places page with the phone number.
1/3/12 – Spoke with competitor who was going through similar Google Places pains. He was going to move offices as a result. Said they would be working to change Google Places address info and/or delete their Places page and start over. Deleting made me nervous as the listings may still be merged. Still wrong phone number for us.
1/4/12 – Received a new type of email, “Google Maps Problem Report received” – this time from Reporting a Problem on Maps.
1/5/12 – Received a “[#XXXXXXXXX] Google Places for Business Help” email from using the Troubleshooter. This one has a new timeline, “We have taken the necessary steps to make sure that your business information will appear correctly within 6-8 weeks.” Phone number remains wrong.
1/10/12 – Finally, our phone number comes back properly on our Places Page. Did the new methods and Troubleshooter work?
1/17/12 – Our phone number goes back to being the competitors. We use the Troubleshooter and Report a Problem again.
1/18/12 – We receive an “Important: Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated” with the wrong phone number information. We do the Dashboard Edit…Submit again. Currently phone number and Reviews from around the web link are the competitors.
Summary:
– Too many ways to report a problem.
– Changes are happening before we can attempt to stop them using the Dashboard Edit…Submit trick.
– There doesn’t seem to be a real timeline to get things fixed.
– Fixes don’t seem to stick.
– There appear to be duplicative emails sent (“Important: Your listing on Google Places will soon be updated”)
– Support is better, but underlying issues still exist.
– Until the algos are fixed and the haunting merge issues are addressed all the support in the world won’t help.
– Finally: WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD GOOGLE TRUST CROWD SOURCED INFO ON A CLAIMED BUSINESS LISTING MORE THAN THE BUSINESS OWNER??? DASHBOARD INFORMATION SHOULD BE REALTIME AND RULE THE DAY. Anything else is insanity.
Any help or comments accepted and appreciated. Hope this timeline and information is helpful to those out there.
#14 Linda Buquet wrote on January 18, 2012 :
Sheesh that’s one of the worst cluster fs I’ve ever heard of.
I’m a Google Top Contributor so can escalate stuff like this to upper management at Google. 1) So they can intervene and help when needed 2) So they are aware of these problems and your case can hopefully help raise awareness about the big picture stuff that needs to be fixed.
To be honest, no time to read and follow every detail in your post right now and would not take that much time on one case, because not that many other people will see your post here to be honest.
What I’d like is for you to post this whole thing on the Places forum, then email me the link: linda AT catalystemarketing DOT com With posts on the forum it’s more worth the time and wear/tear on my carpal to answer and try to help folks, partly because there others may be able to benefit as well. PLUS there I can get Google’s eyes on it.
So after you post and alert me, I’ll read in more detail. Offer any tips/help I can, then also escalate to Google upper management and get them involved.
#15 The Long and Winding Tale of Trying to Fix a Merged Listing | Understanding Google Maps & Local Search wrote on January 19, 2012 :
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#16 Stan Denman wrote on March 15, 2012 :
Linda, you and I have talked once or twice over the months about my continuing problem with dupe Google places accounts for my business, and my continually wandering client reviews. The problem just continues to change or morph, and I after numerous unsuccessful attempts to get help from Google, I would not agree with your assessment of improved customer service from Google for places customers. At least not from my perspective.
#17 Linda Buquet wrote on March 15, 2012 :
Hi Stan,
Sorry to hear you are still having problems. What I’ve found is that once it gets to the point of multiple dupes, info changing, merges, lost reviews, some problematic listing just become such a tangled mess it’s really tough to get things back on the right track.
Have you used the troubleshooter? Or are you just using report a problem? Troubleshooter gets better results IMO.